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Hi all--
I am trying to get organized editing my first big (i.e. long form documentary) project...Got 80 hours of footage to sort through...
I was logging and capturing my clips...But then I decided it might be faster, less wear and tear on my camera gears, and less degradation to the tape quality if I just do Capture Now for 30 minute segments. I have been breaking these segments in subclips. What are the pros and cons of this method? Can I now delete the master clips once the subs are made? Or I am just shooting myself in the foot here??
And, by the way, what the dif between sub clips and the "make clip independent" option?
Advice/info is much appreciated.
Thanks for listening!!
I am trying to get organized editing my first big (i.e. long form documentary) project...Got 80 hours of footage to sort through...
I was logging and capturing my clips...But then I decided it might be faster, less wear and tear on my camera gears, and less degradation to the tape quality if I just do Capture Now for 30 minute segments. I have been breaking these segments in subclips. What are the pros and cons of this method? Can I now delete the master clips once the subs are made? Or I am just shooting myself in the foot here??
And, by the way, what the dif between sub clips and the "make clip independent" option?
Advice/info is much appreciated.
Thanks for listening!!
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Re: Subclips vs. Clips
Fri, December 16, 2005 - 2:13 PMPeople argue different ways of how to load footage. Some people like to be very specific about what they are taking off the tape. Personally, I like to load in the entire source, then do my selections in final cut and then use media manager to remove from my drive what I don't need.
Media Manager is a great thing, but a bit of a beast too.
The con of this method would be you need enough disk space to load in the tape to begin with. Probably ends up being a more fragmented disk, but I'm not sure on that one. And you might be inclined to keep more footage on your drive. Pros are - it's much faster to scrub your drive than your tape - and that's the biggest reason I do it. My time is worth more than my drive space.
The the other part of the question.... it's too big to answer briefly here. But one aspect of it is that master clips have properties that when changed will affect all of it's subsidiary clips. Not ALL properties, just some... and sometimes you won't want that relationship. But get the real answer from the manual... I think Volume IV. chapter 4. -
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Re: Subclips vs. Clips
Fri, December 16, 2005 - 3:01 PMI agree with Mark-- Now that drive space is so cheap, I almost always input the entire tape onto my drive-- and make my selections in FCP- again, because scrubbing is soooooo much faster on a drive. This has boosted my efficiency tremendously... but it also takes up far far more drive space than if I were to simply take in the clips I wanted.
On the media manager side of things... well, I haven't had much luck with that. I've tried numerous times to manage my media and to no avail... clips get lost and timecode gets mussed up and I have never had a successful media merge-- perhaps you could share your secrets with us, Mark?
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Re: Subclips vs. Clips
Fri, December 16, 2005 - 10:09 PMYou shouldn't delete your master clips unless you're sure your subclips are all independent - meaning they are clips that are not just references to the master clip.
Once you have all your subclips defined and you're SURE you're not going to need to use any other footage from the master clip, you can select the subclips then go to Modify>Make Independent Clip, which will render those files to your drive as master clips. You can then delete the original 'main' master clip and none of your subclips will be affected.
I use this quite often as, like Mark, I capture all my footage from a tape and then scrub through it marking all my subclips. This ultimately saves a lot of time as you can just capture a tape in it's entirety while you do other things and then edit it from there.
I'm not a huge fan of media manager - I think if you organize your project correctly, you shouldn't have to use media manager at all. that's just my opinion, of course.... -
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Re: Subclips vs. Clips
Fri, December 16, 2005 - 10:10 PMI should also mention you can right-click (assuming you're using a 2 button mouse or trackball - you ARE using one, aren't you??!!) on the subclip in the browser window and select 'make sequence clips independent'.
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Re: Subclips vs. Clips
Fri, December 16, 2005 - 10:32 PMEventhough thousands of editors capture entire tapes and make their selects off the drive. I think for now on we should call it "The Mark Method."
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Re: Subclips vs. Clips
Sat, December 17, 2005 - 12:21 PMWow! You guys are soOO helpful. Thanks for your sound advice. I will keep you updated on my progress....and if I run into any roadblocks- I'll be back to report/discuss.
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Re: DV start and stop
Wed, December 21, 2005 - 3:41 AMALSO.
Use DV Start and Stop.
You can capture 30 minutes and FCP will devide the clip for you in to subclips. You can save a lot of time doing this. -
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Re: DV start and stop
Thu, December 22, 2005 - 5:51 PMandrew balis, local fcp guru and regular at lafcpug meetings wrote an amazing white paper (pdf format, prints beautifully) on media management in fcp. its up on kenstone.net:
www.kenstone.net/fcp_homep...balis.html
in it he explains the intricacies of master clips, sequence clips, and subclips, trimming media using the media manager, etc. even though he was writing this for version 4, its still relevant in 5. i highly recommend it to anyone who wants to understand subclipping and also get the full benefit of the media manager in fcp. -
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Re: DV start and stop
Thu, December 22, 2005 - 7:22 PMer, local to los angeles that is. i realize that was a bit geo-centric of me.
i do recommend joining your local fcp user group though.
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Re: DV start and stop
Thu, December 29, 2005 - 12:01 PMI usually capture the entire source tape, then use DV Start/Stop detect to break it into each shot - as long as your camera operator remembers to start and stop for each shot, editing is much, much easier.
On the two 80ish minute how to DVD projects I've worked on, the first didn't use DV Start stop, and the second did. The second one was much faster to sort through footage.
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Re: DV start and stop
Sun, January 22, 2006 - 7:17 PMa little trouble....i'm just getting around to cleaning up my drives....i don't see an option on FCP 4 to Make Independent Clip. Strangely, I have seen this option before on FCP 4, I swear!
When I click on my subclips, there is an option under the Modify to "Duplicate as New Master Clip". however, i don't see where it is saving it on my drive! i only see the original raw files in my capture scratch folder.
any clues?
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Re: DV start and stop
Tue, January 24, 2006 - 8:58 AMI just want a correct a misunderstanding here -- the "Make Clip Independent" feature, which is under the "Modify" menu, does NOT duplicate media. It simply changes the relationship between clips in the project. To actually create new media for your subclips so that you can delete the original media, you must use the dreaded Media Manager or use batch export and then re-import the clips.
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Re: Subclips vs. Clips
Tue, January 24, 2006 - 8:31 PMSince media manager was brought up in this thread. Just going to comment that I was going to media manage 200 gigs of material and ended up doing some tests which reveled this:
When I had the setting "use existing" (recommended in the manual) - the manage would work as expsected. However, on my drive was only 1 clip from every original captured movie. Yet, FCP would see all of them. I ended up hunting for them and discoering them hidden in a 501>Temporary folder on my drive. I threw out the original movie and the other files did not follow suit.
Solution was to use the setting "move" and then move it to another place. That worked famously.
Read the manual carefully otherwise though. You have to delete original references and such. Requires a little preparation.
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Re: Subclips vs. Clips
Tue, January 24, 2006 - 9:03 PMoi vey-- the media manager seems too much hassle for me right now. i will try it later....
i don't mind manually deleting master clips....so, i did the batch export as recommended and re-imported clips. however, when i deleted the original clips all imported clips went offline. why are the newly created clips (created from subclips) FCP Movie Files anyway? shouldn't they be Quicktime master clips?
still confused :(
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Re: Subclips vs. Clips
Wed, April 8, 2009 - 10:13 AMWhen separating clips from one long footage file, what is best to do: after setting in and out points, then dragging that clip into the browser and making it a master clip, or dragging the entire footage to the timeline, setting in and out points and making clips independent from there? Is there a difference in these methods and which is best?
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